Pretty sure Stormageddon is not even in this room but I can hear him snoring anyway.
Anonymous asked: You shouldn't raise the price of your commissions at all. You make fantastic artwork for 20 dollars. It is a perfect price.
Wow I’m sorry but that made me feel really degraded. I wasn’t going to raise it to $100 or something. It’s a perfect price to a buyer, but my art isn’t worth 20 dollars but that’s not my point.
Yes I know it’s a good deal, but I’m not a robot. Even if I’m someone that “sucked” at drawing, the matter is all about the time spent on my drawings. On average it takes me 6 hours to create 20 dollars worth of a drawing. That’s like 3.3ish dollars an hour. Working all day. Possibly no sleeping until the next day. No breaks except to use the bathroom or to eat 1 cup of ramen or not eat at all. Because of the time limits I’m receiving.
Please keep in mind the only reason people ever charge 20 dollars for a commission is due of the crippling trend of amateur artists selling themselves short at those prices- a trend that artists like Rinji has to compete with. Any self respecting artist knows that is hardly an acceptable price for their works. Rinji knows that. And that is why I applaud them for raising their prices because it is our responsibility as artists to educate people like you that a 20 dollar commission is not a perfect price at all.
I hope you have learned something from this, anon, and please, never, ever assume nor determine the price of an artist’s time if you are the client and they are their own employer. The price is set by them and it is your choice to either comply or move on.
can we talk about how living wage is $15/hr?
Can we talk about how artists should have THAT as a baseline, and because they are SKILLED WORKERS IN THEIR PROFESSION, should actually be charging even more?
I charge at around $15-$20/hr. My dad’s a freelance graphic designer and has been in the industry for over 20 years; he charges $80/hr.
Rinji works at a little over $3/hr
can we talk about how the expectation for low commission prices is a issue, or…?
because $100 is NOT a ridiculous price. At ALL. That’s ~$16.60/hour for a 6 hour commission, which is cheap as hell.
I mean I get why people price the way they do; competition.
HOWEVER: Each commissioner is commissioning YOU because they like YOUR style. Usually? People are more than willing to pay more. Fuck, dude. I worked at a place that sold knife sets for like $2000/set, and people ate that shit up. People spend money on whatever they want as long as they know it’ll be quality work that they’ll enjoy.
We should really be encouraging our fellow artists to charge themselves as they would as a professional. You’re offering your services because you know your art is worth doing business with. If we’re not going to stand up for our own industry, no one will.
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I absolutely charge hourly, and I think it’s really important to do so. Several times I’ve had friends come to art shows with me and see things that are priced for several hundred dollars and say something along the lines of “Wow, why?”
Consider it this way. If an artist is lucky enough to make a living off their work, you’re not just paying for the painting (or sculpture or graphic design work or whatever it is you’re buying from them). They not only have to pay for the cost of the materials involved, which in some cases can be quite expensive, but they also have to pay rent. They need to live somewhere. They have to buy groceries. In many cases, they have to pay additional rent for a studio in which to make the art they’re selling. They have to pay off their student loans, just like the rest of us. They have to pay their electric bill, and buy new shoes when their old ones wear out, and put gas in their car or buy bus fare. And that’s not even taking into account that they might have a child or two to raise, or medical bills to pay, or credit card debt, or something else like that. On top of all that, many galleries charge artists a fee to even submit a piece for consideration into a show, and even then the gallery might not show the piece. Or a gallery might charge a “hanging fee” if your work IS accepted into the show. Or they could charge both. So there’s investment costs to even show your work anywhere. Not only that, even if the artist is lucky enough to sell the piece in the show they’ve already paid to be in, the galleries invariably will take a percentage of the price the buyer pays, sometimes (and often) up to 50%. So when you see a painting hanging in a gallery, and the price tag is somewhere in the several hundreds of dollars (or more), keep in mind the gallery’s cut, and the bills the artist has to pay, and the fact that this one painting probably doesn’t cover all of them on its own, and how many more paintings this artist would have to sell every month just in order to break even, and you’ll quickly realize that it isn’t as if they’re just making hundreds of dollars each time they sell, they’re lucky to take home a few dollars to spend on dinner that night.
Now obviously all the details I included about selling via gallery shows doesn’t really apply to the original context of commissions, but I think its relevant to think about how an artist can live off their work when you consider what you’re paying for their work. Consider that, if the original artist in question wanted to live off of commissions, at $20/piece, they’d have to do at bare minimum 100 pieces per month just to survive. At 6 hours/piece, that means they’d spend 600 hours working on commissions, which literally means that 20 out of every 24 hours would be spent working for that entire month if they were to succeed. It literally cannot be done, it can’t. I dare you to try working 20 hours a day for 30 days and tell me that that is a viable way to make a living. So yes, artists should absolutely charge per hour, and there is no shame in raising the prices of your commissions.